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angussdundee
09-30-2007, 06:46 AM
Why do people with the obvious signs of alcoholism practice denial?
The friends and families of the drinker can be forgiven for thinking that this person is bad or stupid, uncaring or ignorant. After all, they can easily recall plenty of occasions when they seemed to behave that way.
My belief, based on my own experience is, they deny they are ill to themselves as well as everyone else in order to protect themselves from facing the stark reality of their desperate situation.
The alcoholic does not want to face the truth, partly because of the fear of being branded with the stigma of being 'an alcoholic' and also an even greater fear of having to give up the booze, as thats the very thing that enables them to perform.
Profesionals such as psychiatrists who have worked with alcoholics/addicts recognise this behaviour as being a 'primitive defence mechanism'. The victims will go to increadable lengths to convice themselves and others that they are still in control. It's often useful for a short time but if continued the denial can be fatal. We recovering alcoholics have seen plenty of such people carrying on this act, trying to justify it with statements like - "I can stop if I want, I'm just not ready yet" - or - "I'll cut back and only drink at weekends" - or how about this old line - "I work hard for my family, I'm entitled to have a drink or two to unwind".
This seemingly arrogant dismisal of the truth can still be heard when the person is being visited in the liver disease wards or the psychiatric units of the hospitals, such is the nature of this stubborn denial.
The very same denial can also often be displayed by the victims close family due to the very same stigma that is attached to the word 'alcoholic'. "He's been admited to hospital due to the preasure he's been under at work" - or - "She's been suffering from anxiety and depression for a long time"....
Don't make excuses for an alcoholic! This will only enable them to continue to become more and more sick to the point where they
may eventualy go insane or die a dreadful alcoholic death.
If, when you read this you think I'm exagerating, then go and visit your local hospital. Enter the wards that deal specificaly with liver disease and see how the victims skin has turned yellow. Watch as they shuffle to and fro with their stomachs swelled out from their enlarged livers and listen to them still practicing denial! I just have. My brother was 'again' admited to such a ward recently and he never came out. He died two weeks ago - he was 58 years old.
This deadly denial can be exposed when the drinkers attend meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous. Eventualy they can come to terms with the facts, that they are alcoholics and there is a solution to their problem. Al-Anon meetings can also help the friends and the families of the drinkers to learn more about how futile it is to play along with this deadly game because of embarassement or pride, either way it still amounts to denial in the end.
My sole intention for sharing this is that it may be helpful to someone, somewhere.

God help us all,

Anguss.

Carol87
09-30-2007, 06:43 PM
Powerful ... my thoughts are with you ...

The alcoholic does not want to face the truth, partly because of the fear of being branded with the stigma of being 'an alcoholic' and also an even greater fear of having to give up the booze, as that?s the very thing that enables them to perform.

[b]This part played a huge role in my own denial ... the social stigma ... and it had a lot to do with MY concept of an alcoholic which I think I shared earlier ... the skid row, in jail, homeless, no job, dwi's ... I thought those were the qualifications .... if only I knew how close I was!!

I hope everyone who is questioning if they are or are not alcoholic will read and take this thread very seriously.

...thanks for sharing this Anguss ...

samf
10-02-2007, 11:18 AM
Anguss, I am so sorry, about your brother! There just aren't the right words,...there never seems to be...maybe someone will read what you wrote and it will help them...I hope so!

Denial is the wierdest thing. In a different type of circumstance, I remember people flat telling me I was in denial and spelling out the truth, over and over, but I honestly could NOT see it. For a LONG time. Finally, one day, the light broke through and I saw for myself.

With my alcoholism, I didn't want to be an alocholic. I think I didn't want to give up my "medicine". It was my best friend. It was how I coped with life.

I couldn't imagine a life without alcohol.

If I could just learn to control and enjoy my drinking...I tried over and over, in every way imaginable.

Finally, I was institutionalized. That was part of what saved my life. many things "conspired" to rescue me. I am one of the lucky ones.

I pray that those who still suffer will be able to see and hear...and I just keep trying to reach out a hand.

God help us all...yes.

Sam

jeffw
10-08-2007, 05:11 AM
Good Topic.

I was Thirteen , when mom passed away suddenly by her own hand. I was born on Mother's Day, 1950.
later I learned to drink at this problem as the greatest thing in the world under the spell of
Deadly Denial.[ Mom washed our clothes, read us stories, and made great toll-house cookies /... I loved her fried chicken and raisen toast.]
I couldn't remain sober until I came to AA. I wouldn't dare leave it.
I saw in a photograph once at a mausoleum this writing on marble,
" [b][i]IN THAT GOLDEN SLUMBER THE WORD SPIRIT IS SHED FOR THE BLAZING MANTLE OF IMMORTALITY"
I myself am 58 this May.... shedding grief-work is helpful, my sponsor had intimated to me in the 70's. I didn't think I had any grief work to do...but, she told me 'You have grief-work to do". I miss her a great deal.


My sister passed away of cancer, and drinking, maybe, in 2001.
It was a terrible blow to me and my AA program...rebelliously, I wanted to reject the loving-God idea
for it was too much... to do... to learn.. about my family and the things they had withheld from my knowing it.

"HP" be pleased to help comfort brother here
in this matter.

Big Love,
JeffwSoberSolitary
8)
[noted denial, I had edited this topic to exclude the fact that I discovered later in Life or (alcoholism), Mom had also helped invent the Atomic bomb at Los Alamos for the Trinity Project, and Ethyl gasoline, which is sobering to know. I never knew it until after many years in AA and this topic not only helped me see this but also I was able to update a talk I was to give at a bi-annual AA conference we have in far-off W. Texas.
I wasn't able to share about myself things I couldn't know, so I can't share things I don't know about others, either, unless they say so.]
topic edit 12/03/2007 jw
Big Love,
jeffwSoberSolitary