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Carol87
08-20-2006, 10:01 AM
Found in another group.? ?_________________________________________________ WHAT ABOUT MEMBERS WITH LONG-TERM SOBRIETY?

For all the good and right reasons, we pay a lot of attention to AA newcomers. They are the lifeblood of our fellowship, and tradition says they are the primary reason we have meetings. But what about members with long-term sobriety?

We're taught the seeds of relapse are found in attitudes that precede the actual picking up of that first drink.? While these might be easier to spot with new people, they seem much more difficult to detect in our friends with long-term sobriety. Telling a new AA member to call us before picking up the first drink is excellent advice. But it almost never works for those who no longer have deep cravings for alcohol, because in a subtle, insidious way, they have entered into a private period (weeks, maybe even months) of irrational thinking about their lives, work, this program, loved ones, hobbies, the government or other drivers! In other words, a dangerous form of alcoholic insanity has emerged.

With nothing in its path to prevent it, drinking is the natural, instinctive reaction. Fortunately, we have ways to prevent this from happening. The bond of trust we establish between each other in AA is a powerful ally. If we confront those fellow members closest to us suspected of having difficulties, and if we do this with compassion and a willingness to listen and help in a true 12th Step Spirit, the outcome may be lifesaving.

Following is a checklist of relapse symptoms we can watch for - and help a troubled friend explore in a sort of short-form 4th and 5th Step process.

1. Exhaustion - Allowing oneself to become overly tired; usually
associated with work addiction as an excuse for not facing personal frustrations.

2. Dishonesty - Begins with pattern of little lies; escalated to
self-delusion and making excuses for not doing what's called for.

3. Impatience - I want what I want NOW. Others aren't Impatience - I
want what I want NOW. Others aren't doing what I think they should or living the
way I know is right.

4. Argumentative - No point is too small or insignificant not to be
debated to the point of anger and submission.

5. Depression - All unreasonable, unaccountable despair should be
exposed and discussed, not repressed: what is the "exact nature" of those feelings?

6. Frustration - Controlled anger/resentment when things don't go
according to our plans. Lack of acceptance. See #3.

7. Self-pity - Feeling victimized, put-upon, used, unappreciated:
convinced we are being singled out for bad luck.

8. Cockiness - Got it made. Know all there is to know. Can go
anywhere, including frequent visits just to hangout at bars, carry out's, boozy
parties.

9. Complacency - Like #8, no longer sees value of daily program,
meetings, contact with other alcoholics, (especially sponsor!), feels healthy, on top
of the world, things are going well. Heck may even be cured!

10. Expecting too much of others - Why can't they read my mind? I've
changed, what's holding them up? If they just do what I know is best for
them? Leads to feeling misunderstood, unappreciated. See #6.

11. Letting up on disciplines - Allowing established habits of
recovery -meditations, prayer, spiritual reading, AA contact, daily inventory,
meetings - to slip out of our routines; allowing recovery to get boring and
no longer stimulating for growth. Why bother?!

12. Using mood-altering chemicals - May have a valid medical reason, but
misused to help avoid the real problems of impending alcoholic relapse.

13. Wanting too much - Setting unrealistic goals: not providing for
short-term successes; placing too much value on material success, not enough
on value of spiritual growth.

14. Forgetting gratitude - Because of several listed above, may lose
sight of the abundant blessings in our everyday lives: too focused on # 13.

15. "It can't happen to me." - Feeling immune; forgetting what we know
about the disease of alcoholism and its progressive nature.

16. Omnipotence - A combination of several attitudes listed above; leads
to ignoring danger signs, disregarding warnings and advice from fellow members.

Excerpted from Akron Intergroup News, December 1998

samf
08-21-2006, 09:51 AM
Thank you!

Am printing this baby out!!

Helps me a lot to read.

Sam

moon
08-22-2006, 06:42 PM
As I did not know where to go to ask you all your oppinions I selected here.I am 3= years sober and chipping away at my amends that have needed to be done,now iam struggling with ,the am I willing to go to any lenghth facing prison? when I was out there hard I comited federal offenses to get $ for my habit,now the question is do I open up this can of worms where these debts have been written off or do I face the possibilitie of prison to tell what I have done,some one suggested to do volunteer work or serve in other ways to make this amend.What are your oppinions?can you please help?

moon
08-22-2006, 06:43 PM
Thank you for sharing

fishdocdon
08-22-2006, 09:29 PM
Pray for guidance.

1. We share even with sponsors in a general way. "when i was out there, I was a bank robber and stole a lot of money." not " In 1999, I believe it was FEB., I robbed the First Western Bank 3rd and H sts., Repent City. My take was 34,000 dollars."

2. I'm willing to make amends. If I'm caught ,I did the crime, I'll do the time. I don't believe that I have to make any law enforcement agency aware of anything, if they don't know. Often some charity work or even monetary help of a charity would do more good than sitting in jail.

3. Good Luck you're in our prayers. Hope this might give you some ideas.

samf
08-23-2006, 10:44 AM
Really like what fishdocdon sais about how to share!

Not to tell all.

There are lots of direct amends people do end up making. Monetarily, time wise, etc.

Then we have to learn how to forgive ourselves.

Just my thoughts.

Take care of moon.

Sam

kelly k
08-23-2006, 12:54 PM
dear moomn- in my never to be humble opinion, i think the important part too is self forgiveness, a reprieve from shame...my sponser has me do many 'living' amends, as many of my reckless ,selfish, and character defeating behaviors were done without getting "caught". i know that the part of the step that says"would injure them or others" is true for most of my amends...i really thinf that forgiveness is really for-giveness-that if i want to be forgiven by me(which i think is our goal) then i must give back...volunteer work, giving to charity, helping to anonymously support a child at a local school, ect. I think verbally 'throwing up' all our sins is counter productive to being of service...my thoughts are with you, and i look forward to hearing from you-kelly

moon
08-24-2006, 01:21 AM
Thank you all for giving your suggestions,it means a lot to know you are hear and not judging and truely understand my sick mind and sick actions when out there,and livig sober trying to do the next right thing,sometimes it is so clear what the next right thing to do is and then other times I really struggle thank you for "listening"

WolfM
08-24-2006, 09:55 PM
Dear Moon,
All these suggestions are good. But the key is the sponsor. What does your sponsor say?
Wolf